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Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:06 PM by Nichrysalis:iconnichrysalis:

Do you write with or without capital letters? Why or why not?



i write without capital letters not for effect or affect
but because I’m unsure of myself, my words.



:thumb397341583: wilko's flea powder is full of permethrinhalfway through, words bloat like dead birds falling
out of your mouth.
sparrows nest every spring above my window and drop naked from the gutter and it's like this:
standing on the patio staring moronic at pink rows of skinbags,
three minutes behind discovering one alive.  
someone else is doing a bad impression of listening.  she scribbles two-tone down the wrong
side of the page, turns on the fan and all i can hear is a turbine
scooping up armfuls of air and vomiting
all over my neck and you talk
about stuff that happened
last night and i guess
i was there but
i'm not



it’s a question of taste, completely subjective
this is what i’m told.



.i've been breaking out of
hell, but the devil don't
stop me
he slips a return ticket
into my pocket and says,
you're gonna wanna
use this, kid
Figmentthe sound
of oncoming rain
through an open window
somewhere laughter spills
like marbles
how to talk to girls at parties.two carnations hang on the wall, and you could be the reason
her leaves shiver as she slips off her skirt or her petals part
when she tells you that her father left when she was thirteen
but your roots are stuck in plaster, held fast by sticky doubt
that her pink is too perfect for your ruddy complexion, that
you’ve been picked at too many times by impatient fingers—
swallow your pride deep into your stem and tell her the way
she leans reminds you of a family picnic you went to where
all you did was sit against a tree with your sister and laugh



by whom? i forget,



pianomanglenn,
   the boy's a lullaby -
31 years dead and still singing me to sleep
        glenn,
the boy's a magician -
his aria turned my noose into
                         pearls on a string
The L-wordthe fear which follows                     lesbian
                    question mark
there’s no crucifix here, but for the way tongue slips down L-shape,
lips pause in question, like a cross-
ing, teeth flash white closing in.
tight-lipped, and so unlike how I entered the world
open             honest, with a scream to announce my pain
when the doctor laid his hands on me—
                                        a sound separating me from death
                                        the gift my momma gave me
I answered, no.
the science of sleep.i don't sleep anymore. or at least i don't think i do. it's one of those things i stopped keeping track of like the number of words that make my mother cry (cancer, lists). if i'm being honest, i stopped sleeping (maybe) around the time i started thinking in a series of parentheses.
because i don't sleep, my arteries demand too much air (oxygen, clean) from the space outside my window. i make my room my heart, cold. it fills with a wind only bricks can breathe, an ice only soil is willing to withstand. i am winter's soul.
the world becomes a different place when you stop noticing sound (mute, black and white film) and start noticing every movement your bones, your muscles and the acid in your organs make. you start twisting your spine to imitate the birds spreading through the branches like cancer and you force your fingers to bend in unnatural angles to stop the shaking. but aren't we all just mocking birds (mockingbirds)?
when you stop sleeping, your body becomes the experiment and y



maybe i read that in an interview in the paris review,
or at the writing workshop that i used to go to.



looking for an online loveri have ginger hands,
sandpaper skin,
tapioca nipples.
i wish my pores
were mestiza freckles.
no, no, no, they're not.
they are just pores:
acne aftermath.
i'm going for the truth here,
uploading unmanipulated
close up images
of my current age - 39.
by the way,
what do i look for
in a man?
i have no format or template.
but would you leave me in peace
at daytime?
so i can write poetry,
bake, talk to flowers...
and at night, would you
seduce me? i would very much
like you to.
your turn.
© june 2, 2012 :house:
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it could be completely aesthetic driven,



dead bodies floatsickly saccharine
paled purple
onto
finger-cuts bled
out, bomb raided
sacked and decapitated
river sphinx
splits
hair crease
forest burns
dead bodies float
And they said
just  go back to sleep
Kinesthetici.
when you grow up, you want to be a scientist.
you want answers that are irrefutable,
you want truth to drip like arsenic from your lips,
evidence pried from the ruins of a long dead god,
until they regret they forgot you.
ii.
in eleventh grade chemistry, you find an outlier.
you find your own biosphere
in your bedroom,
alongside medical journals and crochet blankets
- he is not a scientist, but he explores -
he goes on a excavation of your closet,
wears sweatshirts from the distant relatives who don't know who you are,
ones with animals on them or patiently knitted together with wrinkled hands and maroon threads
instead of the ones branded with the names of ivy league schools
he digs out drawings from when you were knee-high,
and pours over
the history of you -
"i'm not interesting," you tell him.
"i can name the planets, sure,
but you can tell me who they are.
why you'd bother
with the body of a dead boy, well,
i'm walking, sure, but barely -
i'm wisps of coffee fumes
empty, fullthere are stars at the bottom
of this bottle.
in your head,
there are other bodies--
breathing.



might have something to do with,
the look of the dot hanging out there, just above the i,



Possum and Hiccupafter sex, she gets the hiccups. he runs his fingers along the pale highway of her sternum and listens to her throat spasm: it lasts seventeen minutes before she curves her body away from him, spits the taste of him onto the linoleum.
 

(don't do that.
what?
spit me out like that.
like what?
as if i taste of possum piss.
you do.)

 
the hiccups have stopped. he pushes a shirt toward her and inhales the smell of stale beer and curry powder: it takes her five minutes to struggle into her clothing, stub out another cigarette and walk out the door.
erosioni hunt you
always in the dim coriander shadow
shelves of thought.
it became a worry when
this  obsession
began
to taste like lemon
and burning walnut,
like myself,
       with an alien flame
roiling up inside
the sunken balsam-wood.
the grains in me bow
wherever you slay them
and a lash of cheek in the mirror
caught in the wrong light
when i turn
looks like your
hands unfolding
another map
as your knuckles
linger and
shake against the steering wheel
soft as waterthis is the funeral
where grey ash spreads
    & in the air, a traffic of kites stream across the horizon,
on fire
the ash of sails, ghostly non existent,
sails set wide, slicing across the Hudson river
the water heals itself
rescinding wounds, sowing back together the places  
where edges meet, and we become soft as water
doves sow the horizon thus, weaving through the kites on fire
& the lovers on fire
and the burns and burns and ink stains
on quiet carpets
everything became a silent memory buried under graves
in the cemetery sails bloom in deathly renaissance.
overpopulation expands exponentially  
underground, in empty spaces
(between the sand, rivers, dust storms)
waves recede and seagulls echo
unspoken sadness
and the shivering saline sea is rough
unquenched, tumultuous.
(baring our naked spines against the asphalt
of the shore, the seagulls soaring echo
more truth than we'll ever know)
they know about:
recessions, receding shorelines and horizons,
and men retreating within,



like that.



i indent because. 
  my poetry
is a 
    contortionist
{i simply
            guide her spine}
 




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:iconsetmyworldintomotion:
thank you for including my piece!
the main reason i write without capitals is because of equality amongst letters. i actually thought i was the only one who thought like this until i just read UnspecifiedUnknown's comment - yay! equalists(?) unite.
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Pereyga Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm used to using capital letters. It would feel strange for me to write i instead of I. Or to not use capitals after a period. It's just how I learned it.
I might mind less when writing in a chatroom for example.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I'm much the same myself. :)
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Pereyga Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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UnspecifiedUnknown Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014   Writer
THIS IS FUCKING GORGEOUS
(small caps is stylistic for me cause i think capitalization in poetry
draws its own attention to the words, and so i like all my words
to carry its weight equally throughout a piece) :rose:
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:iconnichrysalis:
Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
:heart:

And that is the best reason I have heard yet.
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UnspecifiedUnknown Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014   Writer
:highfive:
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RestlessSands Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014
i like people to not be distracted by capitalization unless it's an important word. i like quiet poems to been read quietly.

:)

:thumbsup:
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:iconrestlesssands:
RestlessSands Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014
:heart:
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SonsationalCreations Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Student General Artist
My English teacher would have a heart attack if she saw this... she values grammar above all else XD
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
:lol: I know a few teachers who would not appreciate I was featuring a disregard for English grammar. :P
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ShiNevermore Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally, I think my preference of using a capital "I" is because I have a tendency to be very formal in my responses to things; I'm that person who rarely ever uses shorthand in text messages and the like, even if the person on the receiving end is basically writing in gibberish. ^^"

You can tell a lot about a person from their handwriting, but when we replace handwriting with text, expressing those subtle clues gets quite a bit trickier - I feel like choices about lowercase/uppercase letters, font size, spacing, etc., are all ways we tend to try to subconsciously/aesthetically/emotionally express ourselves via the keyboard when the variable of handwriting is removed. 
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
A lot of good points. :clap: I also don't shorthand when texting, though I may when in chatrooms.
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ShiNevermore Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks!
Yeah, in chatrooms I think I'm more inclined towards the odd abbreviation or what have you... then, of course, whenever I write something for my own sake (like a reminder or something) it's just about indecipherable. xD
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
:lol:
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Yatsukisamada Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess I am more egoistic 
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Astrikos Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014   General Artist
Super interesting article with beautiful features! :heart:
I like to capitalize my Is and I don't think I've ever gone purely lowercase in a poem.
Prose without capitalization doesn't really appeal to me, though.
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RollingFrog Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
In poetry it's a matter of style.

In prose it's a matter of proofreading. 

Everywhere else, it's a matter of laziness.
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CakeofDemise Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL true. :)
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mmv303 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
^
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
There's some prose featured here. :)
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PelicanDeath Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
thanks for the feature! :dance:
I don't like to use capitals. It wasn't really a conscious decision and I don't exactly do it for style. Mostly I'm just lazy and I like the way it looks.
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LadyKylin Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
It's fine if you never want to be taken seriously in prose. It makes a work look experimental at best. Outside of poetry where it's used for artistic effect it pretty much shouts DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY AS A WRITER.
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Kumiko-M Featured By Owner Edited Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i don't use capitals often, i feel it gives a certain touch to my words. i might use lower-cases to express my lack of seriousness in a given situation as well.
however, i choose to use punctuation and correct spelling, if i choose not to it makes me seem pretty stupid.
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:iconastrikos:
Astrikos Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014   General Artist
Another question; why do you use subtext? 
Just curious c:
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:iconkumiko-m:
Kumiko-M Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
that's a good question, actually. i guess i use it because it has a more relaxed and fragile feeling to it. other than that, i'm not sure. <:
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Astrikos Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014   General Artist
That's pretty interesting. 
It's also kinda cute but sometimes hard to read when I'm getting sleepy! :giggle: c:
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Kumiko-M Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
oh, i'm sorry then! ;o;
i agree that it sort of has a cute appearance to it, haha.
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Astrikos Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014   General Artist
Haha, nah you're fine! :giggle:
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noobheadz Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014   Digital Artist
I do not understand this.

Understading = negative
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VixenDra Featured By Owner Edited Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly? I don't get this egocentric approach in English language xD 'I' is always capitalised(in correct, grammatical writing), but 'you' never... In Polish(my native), we write 'i' but we should write 'You' if we adress sb in a letter, English has the opposite of thatxD

I write 'I' just because 'i' is incorrect in regular written English...
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schriftsteller Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014   Writer
Oh this is a fun discussion.

As a writer who remembers very little-- a fifth at best-- of what I was taught in English class this is very interesting for me. I really have little idea what the punctuation rules are, what constitutes certain types of words-- adverb, conjunction, etc.-- and a lot of other things. I'm not sure why I don't remember any of these things other than I was in and out of school a lot when I was younger because of illness but I feel like I'm just learning with a lot of things. Yes, I have pretty good grasp on language by how I speak and my vocabulary, among other things, but I'm still learning the "rules" so to speak.

I think that with poetry the rules are a lot more loose with what is and isn't acceptable. That's always been my opinion, at least. I see poetry as a more expressive medium than prose-- not to say I haven't been completely stunned by some prose works-- but when the sole goal is expressing an idea, emotion, experience, I think that you can be less strict with yourself. I like what neurotype said about knowing how and when to break the rules. I completely agree with that.

On dA I usually interpret the lowercase i to be both a stylistic choice and one that tells me how the writer is feeling. I use that method rarely in poems-- only if I'm feeling "small" so to speak-- but in my artist's comments I always do. I used to do it in my journals as well. It's all a representation of how I'm feeling at that moment. If I'm not feeling important or sad or other similar things, I use the lowercase. I've had this rule in my head for a while-- one that I've made up on my own-- that a person's name or your own name are only capitalized if you respect them. If I don't respect someone they will have their name in lowercase. No exceptions. That might play a bit into my use of the lowercase i at times judging from my emotional makeup.

Anyway, this is a wonderful thing to stumble across on the footer-- congrats! And I'll be going to check out those poems now. 
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DeriveAnemone Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Personally, I use capital 'I's but I can see why others don't. At times it can be a little style-over-substance for me, though. :shrug:
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TehAngelsCry Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
I always use a capital. It's how I was taught and if I ever see it written in lower case it bugs me like mad D:
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nettimato Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i write i without capital letter because i heard "i", "you", "he", "we" and "they", all were written with capital first letter in some point long time ago - but since "i" is the only letter capitalized offically today, i write it in lower cap for equality.
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Waffles-Of-Gondolyn Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
lately i've started to loosen up on grammar and all that to where i can comfortably write lit without worrying about caps. i do, however, keep all the punctuation and spelling rules, because if you can't spell simple words you look pretty stupid. i like to keep a semi-professional appearance in my writing, but i'm not super fussy about it. 
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That1PersonYouForgot Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I've noticed a lot that people who use lower case and/or small text are more popular, not only with their writing but they have a lot of watchers. Not saying this applies to everyone, of course.

I've written one poem with lowercase letters, and it seemed really strange to me. Like some comments below, proper grammar has been instilled in my brain from school, and when I first came to deviantART and discovered people totally tossed those rules out the window, I was like :o
...But then, I grew to like it ^^ I just can't write them myself ;p
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Flareice Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student General Artist
It depends on the context and the mood of what I'm writing.  I tend to use a mixture.  If I'm trying to portray feelings of smallness or insignificance, I switch to lowercase for the line, or as may lines as I need to.  Or, if I'm trying to portray something big or amazing, I use lowercase.  As a general rule, though, I use capital letters where they belong so it adds more affect when I use lowercase.
Barring poetry, though, I always use capital letters and I like it when others do too because it's proper grammar and should always be observed in conversation.
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Artisticbunny6 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student General Artist
For some people, like you said, it's subjective. An option to everyone else. But when someone writes differently, I personally think of it as a type of mood. For example:
subscript: More timid, maybe unsure of what they're typing
strong: Making a statement, may be annoyed or just wanting something to be heard/read
lOWER aND uPPER cASE: feeling fun and/or want to have fun with the comments
etc.
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Miss-Crystal-chan Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Personally, I always write with capital letters. When I was younger, english class was always my best class. Always. Nooow, the grading in my english classes are based more so on the teacher's personal preference on things rather than grammar, but that's beside the point. As a young child, all of the "proper" grammar techniques were instilled into my head. I recall making it my goal to remember everything I was taught because I knew it would be useful in the future. As a result, I suppose I just assumed that this was always the "number one, right way." However, I've learned with sites like deviantART that that's not necessarily true. People will convey themselves in whatever matter they feel like in whatever emotion they are feeling. While I don't completely understand why people like to write with a lot of space, in bold, or with no capital letters, I get that there's always multiple sides to one thing, multiple sides that I will most likely never figure out.

Sorry about my long opinion, but when I get into something, I can't help myself. 
Anyway, I'm glad you posted this. Just recently, I've been wondering about the different ways people write, but I hadn't formed my opinion on the matter until reading your journal. Thanks!
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SheWhoIsAwesome Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Student General Artist
"English" requires capitalization. 
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Miss-Crystal-chan Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Student Digital Artist
:oopsies: Oops, thanks.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Glad the feature helped you in a way. I grew up much the same way in regards to writing, so when I came online and saw how people wrote my first reaction was *GASP*. I've since acclimated to it, and I don't doubt it's legitimacy when used as the author intends, but when they do it out of habit.
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Anonymyth Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I notice that a lot, along with people who write everything smaller and p e o p l e  w h o  l i k e  s p a c e s. 
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Before I say anything, I love your username and how (I believe) it's pronounced.

And yes, while those do not come hand-in-hand with each other, people who don't use capitals I would agree are likelier to use subscript and spacing. Dunno why? :shrug:
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Anonymyth Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Haha thanks! :P (sadly, I don't really like how my name makes people sound as if they have a lisp ^^)

I guess all those things give a feeling of... Evanescence? Fragility? Probably the same reason that some artists use soft colors and make things really soft. It makes them seem more fragile, more innocent, and I guess more approachable. I'm less likely to think that s o m e o n e  w h o  w r i t e s  l i k e  t h i s is going to run up and mug me than SOMEONE WHO WRITES LIKE THIS.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Why can't those be achieved with words alone?
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Anonymyth Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Student Digital Artist
It certainly can, but I guess some poets just wanna overkill it a bit.
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EvelynTaliette Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student Writer
As a completely random person jumping into this conversation, I think it can. It's all in what types of words you use, as was pointed out to us in basic middle school English-- harsher words construct a harsher feeling, which create a harsher mood for the piece. I've gotten to the point with many authors I read regularly where their style seems familiar, and almost indicative to how they are as a person beyond the writing. To me, that seems like a much more meaningful accomplishment as a writer than being able to make the uninterested observer, on a single glance over the piece, think "Wow, this writer seems sensitive and fragile."
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